[WrikaWrek]

Seriously. It's getting kinda crazy, i just checked my stats in Uncharted 2.

So apparently lil Drake is a mass murderer, psycho indiana jones, i am the grim reaper, the God of death!

884 enemies killed.

With a gun, lil Drake is like the dude from wanted, and the guy shames fedor with his 157 body count with bare fists.

Just so you get the picture, there's more death in Uncharted 2 than in Lord of the rings Return of the king (on screen obviously), 300, Kingdom of Heaven....

I'm not talking about the body count left behind by the main characters, Leonidas is a lil bitch compared to the Drake.

It would take:

Clive Owen in Shoot em Up
Christian Bale in Equilibrium
Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots 2
Silvester Stallone in Rambo
Arnold in Commando
Chow Yun Fat in HardBoiled
Wesley Snipes in Blade 2
Uma Thurman in Kill Bill Vol.1

All these killing machines combined to make some sort of super killing machine, in order to have a chance of matching the feat, of this...everyday man, this fast mouth and human like character that can get captured and is no ninja assassin.

Games have to change, this makes no sense, specially within the context of the game, it's crazy as cat shit.

[Sohter.Nura]

It's a game, dude. It's not a movie and it's not a book, and by no means should you try confusing or meshing it up with reality. The moment it becomes a movie, or a book or less over the top, it just isn't fun anymore :/

[Dartastic]

Your everyday man just wants to shoot people. Duh.

[BlueScrote]

If Rambo was a 15 hour experience it would have a body count like that too.

[WanderingWind]

Seriously. It's getting kinda crazy, i just checked my stats in Uncharted 2. So apparently lil Drake is a mass murderer, psycho indiana jones, i am the grim reaper, the God of death! 884 enemies killed. With a gun, lil Drake is like the dude from wanted, and the guy shames fedor with his 157 body count with bare fists. Just so you get the picture, there's more death in Uncharted 2 than in Lord of the rings Return of the king (on screen obviously), 300, Kingdom of Heaven.... I'm not talking about the body count left behind by the main characters, Leonidas is a lil bitch compared to the Drake. It would take: Clive Owen in Shoot em Up Christian Bale in Equilibrium Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots 2 Silvester Stallone in Rambo Arnold in Commando Chow Yun Fat in HardBoiled Wesley Snipes in Blade 2 Uma Thurman in Kill Bill Vol.1 All these killing machines combined to make some sort of super killing machine, in order to have a chance of matching the feat, of this...everyday man, this fast mouth and human like character that can get captured and is no ninja assassin. Games have to change, this makes no sense, specially within the context of the game, it's crazy as cat shit.

That's an impressive list there.

I know I'm in the minority when I say that I believe Uncharted would be a better series without the gunplay, but the exploration is the best part of the games for me.

[epmode]

How did I know this would be about Uncharted.

[Fimbulvetr]

For the sake of this not turning into an Uncharted thread(as if it already wasn't >_>): What was the kill count in God of War?

Whatever it was, it needed to be higher.

[Stabby McSter]

It's a game, dude. It's not a movie and it's not a book, and by no means should you try confusing or meshing it up with reality. The moment it becomes a movie, or a book or less over the top, it just isn't fun anymore :/

movies are fun, shut up >:(

[Sohter.Nura]

movies are fun, shut up >:(

I know! My point is that games shouldn't try to be other things than games. That's why a games is a game, not, you know, a movie!

I mean, if part of the chore gameplay is to shoot baddies... then, what's the problem?

[SapientWolf]

Drake put up a valiant effort, but the most killhappy award still goes to Serious Sam. He's basically on a one man alien genocide campaign.

[Revolutionary]

If Rambo was a 15 hour experience it would have a body count like that too.

Pretty much. Especially if the newest movie is anything to go by.
It's like a 3 kills-per-minute ratio... if it was as long as Uncharted 2, he'd be 2700 bodies deep.

[Colocho]

PETA would be all over Cloud and friends IRL.

[WrikaWrek]

This is not an Uncharted thread, that's why the thread title reflects that. I used Uncharted 2 as an example because i have the stats available to me right now, and it's a game with a context that really drives home the point that it's unthinkable to accept that this is all games are.

If all we have fun is in killing, even when the best parts of the game are the story, the adventure, the set pieces, the escapes, the near death situations, the sense of discovery, the characters, then this hobby is stuck in stupid.

Seriously, did i really need to kill 880 characters? Is that what the game is about?

[WanderingWind]

This is not an Uncharted thread, that's why the thread title reflects that. I used Uncharted 2 as an example because i have the stats available to me right now, and it's a game with a context that really drives home the point that it's unthinkable to accept that this is all games are. If all we have fun is in killing, even when the best parts of the game are the story, the adventure, the set pieces, the escapes, the near death situations, the sense of discovery, the characters, then this hobby is stuck in stupid. Seriously, did i really need to kill 880 characters? Is that what the game is about?

No, it's what the human condition is about.

[Dark Octave]

Intervention?

There are plenty of nonviolent games out there for you to enjoy and I enjoy them too.

[Totobeni]

If all we have fun is in killing, even when the best parts of the game are the story, the adventure, the set pieces, the escapes, the near death situations, the sense of discovery, the characters, then this hobby is stuck in stupid.

so play something that is not Shooter , there are many different genres out there you know.

[WrikaWrek]

Intervention? There are plenty of nonviolent games out there for you to enjoy and I enjoy them too.

Right, choose between killing an army or not killing at all and play with teady bears. Give me a break.

It's about body count, not about violence.

so play something that is not Shooter , there are many different genres out there you know.

Why are you acting like i can just pick up from a dozen games in store shelves that are like any of these big games with big stories, and big production values, but without having to kill a thousand people.

[MidnightScott]

Drake is a badass manly motha fucka. HE WILL KILL YOU =P

[Holy Order Sol]

This isn't all games are: this is what you chose to focus on. You do plenty of other stuff in that game (and others), as you mentioned earlier.

[obaidr]

[7Th]

Oh, it's THIS thread again...

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Doesn't the newest Rambo have more kills than the other 3 combined (although I think the body count in the first one was only 1 or 2 people). Rambo fucking rocks.

[shagg_187]

Go and play Batman: Arkham Asylum.

[Linkzg]

People consider John McClane an 'everyman' too, and he still says stuff like "You motherfucker, I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna fucking cook you and I'm gonna fucking eat you"

And playing Jedi Academy now, I like seeing that I sliced up 50 dudes at the end of a mission and get congratulated for it. They even tell me which body parts I hit.

[DjangoReinhardt]

Uncharted 2 is a great example of what happens when disparate elements are awkwardly mashed together. The moment-to-moment gameplay is fun, but it's a laughable mess if you examine what you've experienced.

[Son of Godzilla]

Go play any MMO and they will ask you *in-game* to wipe out civilizations of all sorts of lifeforms. There's actually achievements and such to rack up bodycounts of other people higher than most wars have. I think that's a fair bit more disturbing than this Dr. Phil meta-sociopathy shit.

[Oneself]

There simply is too much violence in games these days... and fights = gameplay fillers most of the time. Waves after waves after waves of brainless fucks shooting for no reason.

It would be awesome to see a game throw you 15 different, intelligent and developed characters "to fight". Kinda like what Shadow of the Colossus did but in a 3rd person action game like Uncharted or PoP. With headshots / one hit kills included.

[GhaleonQ]

So, this is the 7th topic about the exact same thing? Uncharted 2 is artistically infantile, we know.

[Koomaster]

The Katamari Damacy games have you kill billions of people in around 20 minutes; the body count is absolutely absurd.

Seriously though, i get what you are saying. You have to throw enemies as an obstacle at the player in most games, and you have to have a way to get rid of them. Maybe if the game represented you just wounding them and they just sort of lay there in too much pain to shoot back at you. And if you injur enough people, everyone else gets scared and runs away.

[ZZMitch]

So, uh how do you expect this to be fixed? Would you really want a shooter in which you only kill 10 or so enemies throughout the whole game or something?

[recklessmind]

Uncharted would have been WAY better if he only killed like 5 guys in the entire 15-20 hrs.

That would have been sweet.

[recklessmind]

There simply is too much violence in games these days... and fights = gameplay fillers most of the time. Waves after waves after waves of brainless fucks shooting for no reason. It would be awesome to see a game throw you 15 different, intelligent and developed characters "to fight". Kinda like what Shadow of the Colossus did but in a 3rd person action game like Uncharted or PoP. With headshots / one hit kills included.

That would be one of the greatest 30 mins games of all time, I'm sure.

[WrikaWrek]

Go play any MMO and they will ask you *in-game* to wipe out civilizations of all sorts of lifeforms. There's actually achievements and such to rack up bodycounts of other people higher than most wars have. I think that's a fair bit more disturbing than this Dr. Phil meta-sociopathy shit.

How about you bring discussion instead of insults? As far as i know this is an open thread for you to talk about how videogames haven't found a way of engaging you in an action that doesn't involve killing hundreds of characters.

Talking about action games, games with violence whatever, but where the discussion is not on the violence itself, but in the amount of it

So, uh how do you expect this to be fixed? Would you really want a shooter in which you only kill 10 or so enemies throughout the whole game or something?

How about making the action more intense in less doses than just feeding you huge amounts? Why not make an encounter against 5 guys that is harder and takes more thought and skill than one where you kill 20 guys in the same time span?

Just that will cut the fat a bit. And then try investing more on the context, and the drive factor, instead of the "porn" aspect of it?

[Dark Octave]

Right, choose between killing an army or not killing at all and play with teady bears. Give me a break. It's about body count, not about violence. Why are you acting like i can just pick up from a dozen games in store shelves that are like any of these big games with big stories, and big production values, but without having to kill a thousand people.

It's a videogame. Nathan can also leap 30 feet from one clif to another and take 1000 bullets to the ass, take a breather and be ready to rock again. Let's just leave it at that.

Wrika, you're fucking up.

[reggieandTFE]

Ugh. I had the same argument with my 15 year old cousin yesterday trying to explain how MW2 and Gears of War weren't "mature" games despite the ESRB ratings. My cousins are 10+ but don't even have the patience/ability to play a Zelda game which I could beat when I was 5 or 6.

[GhaleonQ]

How about you bring discussion instead of insults? As far as i know this is an open thread for you to talk about how videogames haven't found a way of engaging you in an action that doesn't involve killing hundreds of characters. Talking about action games, games with violence whatever, but where the discussion is not on the violence itself, but in the amount of it.

Can you bring something more to the nth version of this topic about this game than, "Oh, man, this is CRAZY!" In the meantime:

Solution 1: Play better video games.
Solution 2: Construct thoughts before making topics.

[shagg_187]

Uncharted would have been WAY better if he only killed like 5 guys in the entire 15-20 hrs. That would have been sweet.

Naa, it would have been better if all you did was run from giant boulders and have near death experience while the rest chase you with bullets buzzing by.



No really, I loved Uncharted 2. It was an action/adventure game and it delivered it. I don't care how many enemies I killed. It's a good mix of exploration and action and there is never a dull moment. No gun-battle felt forced. Hell, you can avoid alot of gun-battles by sneaking through and/or by sneaking up on few, preventing the rest of them from showing up

Oh and did we forget that it's a fucking videogame? What's next? People complaining about other games? Every game has atleast the same amount of kill count. I'm sure the kill count also include the fact that you died like 10 times and had to redo and re-kill certain wave of enemies.

Game of the fucking year!

[UnluckyKate]

Killzone 2 got trophies for 500, 1000 and 1500 Helgasts killed:

[WrikaWrek]

It's a videogame. Nathan can also leap 30 feet from one clif to another and take 1000 bullets to the ass, take a breather and be ready to rock again. Let's just leave it at that. Wrika, you're fucking up.

I know it's not real life, but i don't really understand the "It's a videogame" argument. Don't videogames evolve or something?

Can you bring something more to the nth version of this topic about this game than, "Oh, man, this is CRAZY!" In the meantime: Solution 1: Play better video games. Solution 2: Construct thoughts before making topics.

It's not about this game.

The game is really good, top 3 of the year. And you could leave the insult at the door, and try to actually had something without going past the thread title that says "Body count in games", which is the topic, which obviously needed an example. And common sense dictates that a recent successful game, that fits the context is a prime example to start debate.

If you can't get past that shit, then i don't know.

[Mr. Spinnington]

[Tyrant_Onion]

@Wrika Wrek

Dude, you should never play Dead Rising!

[WrikaWrek]

@Wrika Wrek Dude, you should never play Dead Rising!

Zombies don't count.

[Haunted]

Why are you acting like i can just pick up from a dozen games in store shelves that are like any of these big games with big stories, and big production values, but without having to kill a thousand people.

Hm.

[JWong]

Hey WrikaWrek,

Remember. No Russian.

[GhaleonQ]

The game is really good, top 3 of the year. And you could leave the insult at the door, and try to actually had something without going past the thread title that says "Body count in games", which is the topic, which obviously needed an example. And common sense dictates that a recent successful game, that fits the context is a prime example to start debate. If you can't get past that shit, then i don't know.

It's top 3 of the year? Then, I guess you don't have a problem with mindless, artless, violent video games. You can't have it both ways. Sounds like you're being incoherent again.

[Wario64]

And Nathan would never be able to sustain the stamina to climb all those buildings and platforms in a ten hour adventure that spanned over the day. Why make games fun when they are totally unrealistic?

High body counts should only be tied to shitty games like Dynasty Warriors. Right?

[shagg_187]

And Nathan would never be able to sustain the stamina to climb all those buildings and platforms in a ten hour adventure that spanned over the day. Why make games fun when they are totally unrealistic?

He would've died within the first chapter of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune if shit be realistic!

Hell, make a game so that once you die, the disc gets scratched off by PS3. That way, you'll need a new one! Oh and also whenever you kill someone, you are fined $100.

[UnluckyKate]

Zombies don't count.

Then Dynasty Warrior ?

[WrikaWrek]

It's top 3 of the year? Then, I guess you don't have a problem with mindless, artless, violent video games. You can't have it both ways. Sounds like you're being incoherent again.

Incoherent?

I'm saying it's something that with games evolving, and becoming increasingly more cinematic, with characters more life like, with clear personalities, and life, that maybe it's time games start trying to ease up on that mechanism that they hang on, action games, that is to just throw armies at the player regardless of context.

You are completely missing the point again. It's not about whether i liked the game or not, it's about evolution of games in general.

If i say i loved The Dark Knight even though i believe it has flaws connected to the genre of super hero movies, would that be incoherent?

Stop making stupid arguments

He would've died within the first chapter of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune if shit be realistic! Hell, make a game so that once you die, the disc gets scratched off by PS3. That way, you'll need a new one! Oh and also whenever you kill someone, you are fined $100.

It's like speaking with a child.

[recklessmind]

Zombies don't count.

What? Why? Please... explain. I'm begging you to explain this.